Rules Team Rulings 19-MAY-2003

[hardyrange]

Zu Eurer Erbauuung kopiere ich das mal aus der Newsgroup direkt hierher...

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From: LSJ (vtesrep@white-wolf.com)
Subject: Re: Rules Team Rulings 19-MAY-2003
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Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad
Date: 2003-05-19 08:08:03 PST

As always, errata and reversals of previous rulings do not go into effect for
constructed deck tournaments until 30 days (i.e., until June 18, 2003).

Reversals in this RTR:
Alternate hunt actions.
Mask of a Thousand Faces.


RULINGS
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Contesting: The incoming contested card has no effect prior to being
contested. That is, if you contest an Elder Library, you don't draw up to
your new Elder Library hand size and then discard when the Library becomes
contested - it is simply contested. Likewise contesting Jan Pieterzoon
doesn't cycle a card from each player's hand.

End of round: Things that are played "at the end of round" (Disarm, Taste of
Vitae, etc.) are played after presses are handled (in the "after presses are
handled" phase, much like Torn Signpost is played in the "before maneuvers
are handled" phase).

Alternate Hunt Actions (REVERSAL): Previously, modifications to the amount
gained by special hunt actions (Legacy of Caine, Week of Nightmares, etc.)
could not be made, but other modifications (to stealth, say) were allowed.
The restriction against modifying the amount is now dropped. Any hunt
modification (Aaron's Razor, Hesha, etc.) is allowed on special hunts (Legacy
of Caine, Week of Nightmares, etc.), following card text. Note that card text
on Festivo dello Estinto and Inbase Discotek explicitly move the additional
blood from the blood bank (rather than from the new, non-default, target of
the hunt).

Specifically
Aaron's Feeding Razor, Amadeo, Hesha Ruhadze, Hungry Coyote, Succulent Vitae
(superior), Tainted Vitae move additional blood, if available, from the
source to the hunter.
Festivo dello Estinto the successful hunter, after gaining blood from
whatever source, fills up with blood from the blood bank.
Foul Blood the hunter takes 1 less blood from the source.
Immaculate Vitae (superior), Masquerade Endangered, Vampiric Disease no blood
is moved from the source.
Inbase Discotek, Frankfurt the hunter, after gaining a blood from whatever
source, gains a blood from the blood bank.

Rachel Brandywine: You activate her ability at the end of the discard phase,
after discarding your card(s). That is discard (to the ash heap), draw back
to hand size (from the library), then move the cards you just discarded from
the ash heap to the library and shuffle. If you exhaust your library while
trying to draw back up to your hand size in the middle, then you can continue
to draw back up to your hand size after adding the new cards to your library,
as normal.

Mask of a Thousand Faces (REVERSAL): All effects that had been applied to the
action or the acting minion carry over as if they had been applied with the
Masker as the acting minion. The standing rule that "Mask cannot be used to
mask an action if the Masking vampire is not capable of taking that action,
nor if any action modifiers have been played on this action that could not
have been played if the Masking vampire were the acting minion. (Not counting
blood that has already been spent.)" still applies, and it applies to other
effects as well. So if Backways is tapped to give the acting Gangrel a
stealth, then non-Gangrel cannot mask the action. If Redirection is used at
inferior by a 7 capacity vampire, then vampires with capacity of 7 or more
cannot mask the action (since they are not younger than the reacting
vampire). And so on.

Draba or Veiled Sight vs. Mask of a Thousand Faces (REVERSAL): The stealth
reduction of Draba and Veiled Sight carries over at the same level as before
the mask. The two effects can be treated as equivalent to "-X stealth" where
X is (was) the current amount of stealth of the action, with the X unchanged
by the play of the mask.


ERRATA
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Canceling cards and retrieving costs: Cards that cancel other cards as they
are played and retrieve the cost (resulting in a loss as the cost is paid and
then a gain as the cost is retrieved) instead cancel the card and nullify the
cost (no cost is paid for the canceled card). The Anarchs version of Sudden
Reversal has the new "(no cost is paid)" wording, and other cancel cards are
to be handled similarly. Those other cards are Contingency Planning, Denial
of Aphrodite's Favor, Direct Intervention, Iron Heart, The Jones, and Rewind
Time.

Angelica, The Canonicus: Can only use her ability once each action (when
attempting to block).

Archon/Templar: These cards are placed on the target if the referendum
passes. The vampire with the card gets the abilities. The action given by
the cards in play cannot be repeated by that minion twice in the same turn,
by the base rules on repeating actions. The card is burned if the ability is
removed (via the referendum given in card text). If the vampire has two
Archon/Templar cards, he can take the action allowed by one and, if he
untaps, then take the action allowed by the other.


--
LSJ (vtesrep@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc.
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[Männele]

Archon/Templar: These cards are placed on the target if the referendum
passes. The vampire with the card gets the abilities. The action given by
the cards in play cannot be repeated by that minion twice in the same turn,
by the base rules on repeating actions. The card is burned if the ability is
removed (via the referendum given in card text). If the vampire has two
Archon/Templar cards, he can take the action allowed by one and, if he
untaps, then take the action allowed by the other.

Hoha! Das hätte ich nicht gedacht. Ein gutes Ruling, aber da LSJ das erst vor ca. drei Monaten in die andere Richtung klar stellte ist dieser Meinungsumschwung schon interessant.

[Michael]

Archon/Templar: These cards are placed on the target if the referendum
passes. The vampire with the card gets the abilities. The action given by
the cards in play cannot be repeated by that minion twice in the same turn,
by the base rules on repeating actions. The card is burned if the ability is
removed (via the referendum given in card text). If the vampire has two
Archon/Templar cards, he can take the action allowed by one and, if he
untaps, then take the action allowed by the other.

Hoha! Das hätte ich nicht gedacht. Ein gutes Ruling, aber da LSJ das erst vor ca. drei Monaten in die andere Richtung klar stellte ist dieser Meinungsumschwung schon interessant.

Bin ich fest von ausgegangen. Es hieß von Anfang an, daß das ganze auf der Rules Team Liste wäre, und das ist die einzige sensible Herangehensweise.
Was LSJ klarstellte war nur der damals gültige Stand, der sich aus den Texten auf der Karte und den Regeln heraus ergab.