Orun, und was genau bedeutet "cards played"...?

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Orun, und was genau bedeutet "cards played"...?

Post by hardyrange » 04 May 2014, 18:49

Wir hatten neulich in der Runde Bochum eine Frage zu Orun - meine Recherche hatte ein Ergebnis, das vielleicht auch andere interessiert:

Orun gilt auch für Karten, die im Spiel sind, und nicht nur während sie gespielt werden.
Sogar für Karten, die gespielt wurden, bevor Orun im Spiel war!

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/r ... ft6gDzxmsJ
LSJ wrote:Jozxyqk wrote:
> sath...@o2.pl wrote:
>>Orun

> "cards played by Methuselahs other than this Laibon's controller"
>
> Please confirm, LSJ, that this means cards which were *ever* played by
> another Methuselah, not just "as-played".

Confirmed.
Und, in Bezug auf diese Post, eine weitere mit mehreren konkreten Beispielen, darunter auch Aranthebes (also genau wie in unserem Spiel):
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searc ... EIoqkTROIJ
LSJ wrote:floppyzedolfin wrote:
> Today's questions are about Orun.
> I'll focus on the second sentence of the card: "For non-Orun cards
> played by Methuselahs other than this Laibon's controller, this Laibon
> is considered to have 2 additional capacity.".
>
> 1/ Does this effect stack if I control mutliple Oruns on a vampire ?
> Example: Other Meths have played nothing yet. I control Nana Buruku (8-
> cap) with 2 Oruns. My predator plays Golconda: Inner Peace on Nana. I
> decide not to pay 2 pool. Which one is it: I gain 10 pool, or I gain
> 12 pool ?

Stack.
Google: "Orun stack author:LSJ"
First hit:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 11e4779b0b

> 2/ In this topic http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 00eaed47f8
> you explain that Orun keeps track of all cards *ever* played. Little
> question about the *ever*: Does the Orun "remember" of cards that got
> played before it was played ?

What else could "ever" mean?

Anyway, the cards in play before Orun is played still know who played them.

> Example1: My prey played Aranthebes with his vampire right before I
> play Orun on my 4-cap vampire. The only played cards in the game so
> far are my prey's vampire, his Aranthebes, my vampire and my Orun. Can
> my 4-cap vampire reshuffle Aranthebes in my prey's library?

That's in the link you gave: yes.

> Example2: Giant's Blood was played before I played my Orun. The game
> keeps track of it, but does that aknowledge my Orun somehow ?
From which effect of the in-ash-heap Giant's Blood are you looking for
acknowledgment?

> 3/ Just checking: Is Orun's increase-capacity effect lingering, or is
> it triggered by the play of a card?

It affects how every card played by other Methsuelahs sees the Oruned vampire.
In that sense, it is lingering, just like every other card-in-play's effect.

Orun doesn't actually increase the vampire's capacity, though. So that effect,
which doesn't exist, isn't lingering, no.

> Example: The only cards that have been played in the game are
> (chronologically) my Cesewayo, my Orun on Cesewayo, and my prey's
> Karsh. Karsh attempts to enter combat with Cesewayo using his special
> (for some cardless reason, Cesewayo is tapped). Can Cesewayo play Wake
> with Evening's Freshness + Obedience?

No. The Obedience you play is not an Obedience played by another Methuselah.


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Re: Orun, und was genau bedeutet "cards played"...?

Post by Rudolf » 04 May 2014, 20:59

Etwas unübersichtlich ist diese Datengemengelage schon ... :wink: Durch welchen Fall kamt Ihr denn nun auf das Problem?
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Re: Orun, und was genau bedeutet "cards played"...?

Post by hardyrange » 05 May 2014, 15:49

Orun vs. Aranthebes war unser konkretes Anliegen.

Einer meiner Laibon (Cap 4, mit 3 Orun) geht bleeded, und wird deflectet zu einem Spieler, der Aranthebes im Spiel hat. Die Frage war also: Reduziert Aranthebes den Bleed, oder nicht - "sieht" er den Laibon als Cap 4 oder als Cap 10?

Antwort: Cap 10; der Bleed wird nicht reduziert.
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Re: Orun, und was genau bedeutet "cards played"...?

Post by ghost of extrala » 05 May 2014, 19:51

.. bzw. kann der Laibon mit Cap. 4 und X Orun den Aranthebes auch entfernen, um seinen Sekten-Genossen ein effektiveres Bleeden zu ermöglichen?
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