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Spiele vom 06.04.07

Tisch hinten
Markus 0 VP (!Ventrue & Friends Dom)
Michael B. 3 VP, GW (Ahrimanes/Daughters of Cacophony Vote)
Nicole 1 VP (!Malkavian Stealth Bleed & Vote)
Barbara 0 VP (Ahrimanes Toolbox)
Hardy 1 VP (CEL Guns)

Tisch vorne
Didi 0,5 VP (Jaroslav Pascek & Maris Steck Alastor Vote/Combat)
Björn 0,5 VP (Arika & Friends Stealth Vote)
Ralf 0,5 VP (!Tremere Nephandus)
Sascha 1,5 VP (!Nosferatu Rush)
Martin 0 VP (Tzimisce Wall)
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Spiele vom 20.04.07

Tisch vorne
Jörg 1,5 VP (Lasombra Stealth Bleed & Vote)
Hardy 0 VP (Samedi & Friends Shambling Hordes Stealth Bleed)
Nicole 1,5 VP (Toreador Toolbox)
Markus 0 VP (Tremere/!Tremere & Friends Dom Bleed)

Tisch hinten
Sascha 0 VP (!Nosferatu Rush)
Didi 0,5 VP (Nosferatu Royalty mit allem, was dazu gehört)
Björn 0,5 VP (Weenie Pro)
Ralf 1,5 VP (!Tremere Nephandus)
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Und die Frage nach dem genauen Vorgehen bei Tenebrous Form:
thisi_s_stu...@yahoo.com (kushiel) wrote:
> Quick question:
> Minion A attempts an action. Minion B, who has no Obtenebration, declares a
> block attempt. Minion A plays Tenebrous Form at superior.

> Does Minion B immediately burn a blood, since he is already attempting to
> block, or is there a window during which he can declare that he has stopped
> trying to block and thereby avoid having to burn a blood?

> We ruled last night that you could decline to block before you had to burn a
> blood
, but in retrospect that seems wrong - the effect of superior Tenebrous
> is similar enough to superior Faceless Night that I'm betting Minion B must
> burn a blood.

You ruled correctly.

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Spiele vom 04.05.07

Tisch vorne und hinten
Markus 0 VP (!Ventrue Dom Bleed)
Martin 0,5 VP (Cel Gun)
Ralf 0,5 VP (Imbued Flash Grenades)
Nicole 0,5 VP (Toreador Toolbox)
Michael J. 0,5 VP (Nos Royalty Ritual of the Bitter Rose)
Jörg 1,5 VP (Euro-Brujah)
Björn 1 VP (Stanislawa Bleed & Bloat)
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Die "Combo" Flash Grenade & Psyche haben wir - dank Martins Insistieren - richtig gespielt:
Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad
From: LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 10:58:35 GMT
Local: Tues, Jun 1 2004 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: Question: Flash grenade

matkov wrote:
> Flash grenade:
> Weapon. Strike: Combat Ends. If the opposing minion is a vampire, he
> or she is tapped and does not untap as normal on his or her untap
> phase. If the bearer is a vampire and the grenade is used at close
> range, the bearer is also tapped and does not untap as normal on his
> or her next untap phase. Burn this weapon after use.

> If vampire A playes Flash grenade and vampire B playes Earth meld with
> untap(majesty, ...), is it tapped after combat?

Yes. Earth Meld, etc. untap the vampire before ending combat. Then the
Flash Grenade taps him. (Note that, as usual, if a minion strikes with
Flash Grenade and the opposing vampire plays Psyche! or Telepathic
Tracking, the rest of the effect (tapping the vampire and causing him
not to untap) is lost.

> Does it matter which one is acting minion?

No.

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From: LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 00:11:54 GMT
Local: Wed, Jun 2 2004 2:11 am
Subject: Re: Question: Flash grenade

Eric Simon wrote:
[..]
> Is this a clarification of the wording of Flash Grenade (per designer
> intent, I assume)? FG, unlike other S:CE cards with effects, does not

It is a clarification of the application of [RTR 01-MAY-2002], quoted here:

> Effects that end combat and then do something else after combat (all in the
> single resolution of the effect) will fizzle if combat doesn't end or if a
> new combat is started.
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Spiel vom 18.05.07

Hardy 1,5 VP (Nehemiah & Friends Obt/Pre/Tem Stealth Vote & Bleed)
Nicole 0 VP (Tremere/!Tremere toolboxig)
Sascha 0,5 VP (!Brujah Bruise & Vote)
Markus 0,5 VP (!Ventrue & Friends Intercept & Anti-Vote)
Barbara 0,5 VP (Ahrimanes Toolbox)
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Spiele vom 01.06.2007

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Ralf 1,5 VP (Ellen Fence & Friends Rötschreck)
Jörg 0 VP (Brujah Combat Toolbox)
Didi 1,5 VP (Kyasid Toolbox)
Björn 0 VP (Malk '94)
Martin 0,5 VP (Mirembe Rides Again)

Tisch rechts
Markus 0,5 VP (Tremere/!Tremere Toolbox)
Hardy 0,5 VP (Samedi & Friends & Shambling Hordes Stealth Bleed)
Nicole 0,5 VP (Toreador Toolbox)
Sascha 0,5 VP (!Brujah Bruise & Bleed & Vote)
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Zu der Regelfrage von gestern - ein Mage Ally spielt Burst of Sunlight, weil er "as a vampire" Thaumaturgy-Karten verwenden kann:

Unsere Entscheidung war korrekt; der Ally verliert ein Leben.

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Regelbuch wrote:1.6.3. Minion Cards
[...]
Some allies have the ability to play certain cards "as a vampire." In these cases, the ally is treated as a vampire for all effects generated by the play of the card. The ally’s life represents his blood (to pay costs, for example). Any blood he gains or loses as a vampire equates to a gain or loss of life for the ally. For purposes of that card, the ally has a capacity of 1 by default (for use if the card requires an older vampire or a vampire of a given capacity). The ally is treated as a vampire only when playing the card and, for cards such as actions and strikes that are not resolved immediately, for the resolution of the effect. In particular, the ally is not treated as a vampire for effects of the card once it’s in play or for lingering effects generated by the card. If the ally gains life in excess of his capacity, it doesn’t drain off, and if the effect inflicts aggravated damage on the ally, he burns life as normal. However, if the effect would send the ally to torpor, then he is burned instead.
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LSJ wrote:Apr 9 2006, 9:35 am

tzimisce_dragon wrote:
> Well, some questions...

[snipped by Hardy]
> 4. An ally question.... About allies playing cards as vampires... i've
> read a lot of stuff about this and i don't know which of these really
> are in effect right now, so:

> a. i've read that the ally is considered a vampire for the duration of
> playing the card, if this duration is instantaneous (like playing a
> strike card) ? e.g. the Satyr plays burst of sunlight, he gets one
> aggravated and..... just burns 1 life ? or goes to torpor with no
> effect being able to get him out of torpor ??? (i've read an LSJ ruling
> which allows this possibility)

The ruling is: the card the ally plays as a vampire sees him as a
vampire for the resolution of that card play. Everything else sees him
for what he is: an ally.

SCS plays Burt of Sunlight. SCS takes one agg. SCS burns one life to
handle the agg.


[snipped by Hardy]
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Spiel vom 15.06.07

Ralf 0 VP (Marcus Vitel & Black Hand Friends)
Didi 2,5 VP, GW (Gangrel Toolbox)
Michael B. 0 VP (Marcus Vitel & Friends Mind Rape/Go Anarch/Judgement: Camarilla Segregation)
Nicole 1 VP (Inner Circle Vote)
Hardy 0 VP (Nehemiah & Friends Dom/Obt/Tem Stealth Vote & Bleed)
Björn 0,5 VP (Haakon Mortensen & Pro Friends Toolbox)
Markus 1,5 VP (Malkavian Stealth Vote & Bleed)
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hardyrange wrote:Bochumer VTES-Liga 2007

Ralf Lammert 4,60 RtP/Spiel, 10 Spiele, 1 GW, 9,5 VP
Didi Range 4,60 RtP/Spiel, 10 Spiele, 1 GW, 9,5 VP
Martin Schumacher 4,00 RtP/Spiel, 9 Spiele, 1 GW, 7,0 VP
Michael Bartsch 4,00 RtP/Spiel, 6 Spiele, 1 GW, 4,0 VP
Björn Schmale 3,11 RtP/Spiel, 9 Spiele, 0 GW, 7,0 VP
Jörg Epping 3,00 RtP/Spiel, 4 Spiele, 0 GW, 3,0 VP
Nicole Pickelmann 2,60 RtP/Spiel, 10 Spiele, 0 GW, 6,5 VP
Sascha Müller 2,57 RtP/Spiel, 7 Spiele, 0 GW, 4,5 VP
Hardy Range 2,40 RtP/Spiel, 10 Spiele, 0 GW, 6,0 VP
Michael Jakoby 2,00 RtP/Spiel, 1 Spiele, 0 GW, 0,5 VP
Markus Hissnauer 1,80 RtP/Spiel, 10 Spiele, 0 GW, 4,5 VP
Barbara Wolf 1,50 RtP/Spiel, 4 Spiele, 0 GW, 1,5 VP
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hardyrange wrote:Spiel vom 15.06.07

Markus 1,5 VP (Malkavian Stealth Vote & Bleed)
Endlich mal was Vernüftiges vom Markus, nicht so ein Deck wo man sich fragt was das ist und was das tut und man dann am Ende feststellt NICHTS !! Und gut gespielt wars auch noch, weiter so.
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Murat wrote:
hardyrange wrote:Spiel vom 15.06.07

Markus 1,5 VP (Malkavian Stealth Vote & Bleed)
Endlich mal was Vernüftiges vom Markus, nicht so ein Deck wo man sich fragt was das ist und was das tut und man dann am Ende feststellt NICHTS !! Und gut gespielt wars auch noch, weiter so.
Danke, aber wenn ich vielleicht mehr Zeit hätte, meine Karten alle sortiert
wären, hätte ich schon längst ein paar effektivere Decks gebaut, aber so hoppla-hopp, in 2 Stunden eins zusammenzufriemeln, ist nun im Moment an der Tagesordnung, weil es noch wichtigere Dinge gibt, die mich mehr ausfüllen.

Ausserdem war das nicht meine Grundidee, sondern Nicoles, aber ich habs halt optimiert und angetestet.

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blutengel wrote:... weil es noch wichtigere Dinge gibt, die mich mehr ausfüllen...
WAS? Das kann doch gar nicht sein. Du fällst ja vom wahren VtES-Glauben ab :shock: :D .
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> Sniper rifle says that if you block an action you may set the range
> for the fisrt round of combat. What happens when the opposing vampire
> plays drawing out the beast?


> A. Set range is cancelled by drawing out the beast
> OR
> B. You gained the ability to set range at the same time you
> succesfully blocked, before drawing out the beast had been played. You
> therefor get to set range but your strike fails since you can't use
> the rifle.



The answers on the White Wolf forum were correct.

You cannot use equipment, so you cannot use the Sniper Rifle to set the
range for the first round, nor can you use the Rifle to strike.


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Spiel vom 29.06.07

Tisch der Holland-Pilger (ex Hardy)
:arrow: Björn 2,5 VP, GW (Euro Brujah feat. Menele)
:arrow: Martin 0 VP (Extremis Wall feat. Valerius Major)
:arrow: Ralf 1 VP (Lasombra Nocturn Bleed feat. Marcus Vitel)
:arrow: Michael B. 0 VP (Obf. Pre Stealth Bleed feat. Alan Sovereign)
:arrow: Didi 0,5 VP (Lasombra Black Vote/Toolbox? no features)
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