Hier die Antworten:hardy.ra...@gmx.de Dec 7, 3:13 am
Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad
From: hardy.ra...@gmx.de
Date: 7 Dec 2004 03:13:22 -0800
Local: Tues, Dec 7 2004 3:13 am
Subject: [LSJ] Multiple changing of votes
Hello LSJ,
the usual thing happened during one of our games recently, namely:
something unusual.
Player A plays Nosferatu, amongst them Ellison Humboldt and a Prince.
Card text:
Ellison Humboldt
Clan: Nosferatu (group 3)
Capacity: 9
Disciplines: ANI OBF POT PRE pro
Camarilla primogen: Princes cannot block Ellison. During a referendum,
Ellison may burn a blood to force a ready prince to vote as Ellison's
controller wishes. This can change the prince's votes.
His prey, Player B, plays Toreador, amongst them Alexandra and Michael
Luther.
Card text:
Michael Luther
Clan: Toreador (group 3)
Capacity: 4
Disciplines: aus pre
Camarilla: You may tap Michael during a referendum to change the votes
of a Camarilla vampire to votes of your choice. When Michael enters
combat, you may draw 1 card. Discard down to your hand size afterward.
What happened:
Player A calls a vote. During the referendum, his Prince votes in
favor. Player B taps Michael Luther to use his special and change
Player A's prince's votes around.
Then, Player A uses Ellison Humboldt's special to burn a blood and
change the votes of the Prince back.
- Question A: Was this back-and-forth changing of votes allowable? I
ruled yes.
After this, Player B used the special ability of Alexandra to untap
Michael Luther and wanted to use Michael's special ability again.
- Question B: I ruled that this second use of Michael Luther's special
was not allowed, becuase of the "During X, do Y" template used in his
card text. Was my decision correct?
Thanks,
Hardy Range
Prince of Bochum, Germany
http://www.vekn.de
LSJ Dec 7, 4:04 am
Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad
From: LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com>
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 12:04:11 GMT
Local: Tues, Dec 7 2004 4:04 am
Subject: Re: [LSJ] Multiple changing of votes
> - Question A: Was this back-and-forth changing of votes allowable? I
> ruled yes.
Yes.
> - Question B: I ruled that this second use of Michael Luther's special
> was not allowed, becuase of the "During X, do Y" template used in his
> card text. Was my decision correct?
It's actually "May do Y during X", so I don't think so.
I'll check on that.
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LSJ Dec 7, 5:40 am
Newsgroups: rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad
From: "LSJ" <vtes...@white-wolf.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 08:40:49 -0500
Local: Tues, Dec 7 2004 5:40 am
Subject: Re: [LSJ] Multiple changing of votes
"LSJ" <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> It's actually "May do Y during X", so I don't think so.
> I'll check on that.
Check. You were correct. My "I don't think so" is incorrect.
If Michael Luther manages to untap, he still cannot use his special again
in that referendum.
Angela Preston is in the same boat as Michael Luther -- both use that "May
tap during" phrasing.
I imagine that the tapping part makes the question quite cornercase, but
there you go.