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Rules Team Rulings with Fifth Edition rulebook addendum and errata (RTR 30/11/2020)

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https://www.blackchantry.com/2020/12/25/rtr-30-11-2020/
Fellow Methuselahs,

To accompany the release of Vampire: The Eternal Struggle Fifth Edition, the following rule change will be effective December 30, 2020.

Rule Change: Default sect

Clans do not have a default sect anymore. This means that if a vampire changes clan, they keep their sect. For instance, a Derange played by Malkavian antitribu on a target vampire who is Camarilla Ventrue changes the target into a Camarilla Malkavian antitribu (not a Sabbat Malkavian antitribu as before).

This is a REVERSAL of the following rulings (based on the old rule):
LSJ 20030225, LSJ 19990924, LSJ 20010924.

The following cards have changed:
Becoming, The: Inherits the sire’s sect.
Brother in Arms: Inherits the sire’s sect.
Creation Rites: The vampire is now explicitly Sabbat.
Dual Form: Inherits the sire’s sect.
Nosferatu Bestial: Inherits the sire’s sect.
Third Tradition: Progeny: The vampire is now explicitly Camarilla.
Trophy: Progeny: Inherits the sire’s sect.


Fifth Edition Rulebook addendum

Drawing Cards (p. 7)
Whenever you are asked to draw from your crypt, move the top card from your crypt to your uncontrolled region.

Requirements for Playing Cards (p. 7)
Unless explicitly stated, costs you pay must be paid with resources you control: your pool, blood on vampires you control, cards in your ash heap, etc. For instance, you cannot play Enticement if you do not control the Edge, since you must burn it as part of its cost.

An exception is the “Rescue a Vampire from Torpor” action (p. 23) whose cost can be paid by the acting vampire or the rescued vampire, or the cost may be split between them.

Performing an action (p. 16)
The term “perform” applies to the entire course of the action, from the moment it is announced to the moment it is resolved. An action that is “performed” can end up by being successful or not. “Performing an action” does not imply that the action is successful.

Political Action Cards (p. 27)
Those cards simply say “1 vote”, rather than “worth 1 vote” (which was the wording used in older sets).

VTES Quick Rererence

Quick Reference (p. 53)
The Discipline Blood Sorcery is also called Thaumaturgy in older sets. They are exactly the same.

The clan Banu Haqim is called Assamite in older sets. They are exactly the same.

Similarly, the clan Ministry (whose members are called Ministers) is called Followers of Set in older sets.

For instance, if a card requires a ready Banu Haqim, any ready Assamite will fulfill this requirement (and vice versa).


Fifth Edition Rulebook errata

Rulebook, p. 15
The 30 pool displayed as your pool do not necessarily reflect the state of the game at that moment (since you have spent some of them to bring vampires into play), unless you have found a way to regain enough pool to reach your initial 30 pool. Also, please note that there is no limit to the amount of pool a Methuselah can have.


Fifth Edition Helpsheets errata

Leave torpor
The cost of the action is missing: “Action cost: 2 blood”.

Diablerise a vampire in torpor
The word stealth is missing in the following sentence: “Undirected +1 stealth action if you control both vampires.”]


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Re: Rules Team Rulings with Fifth Edition rulebook addendum and errata (RTR 30/11/2020)

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hardyrange wrote: 25 Dec 2020, 16:53
Rule Change: Default sect

Clans do not have a default sect anymore. This means that if a vampire changes clan, they keep their sect. For instance, a Derange played by Malkavian antitribu on a target vampire who is Camarilla Ventrue changes the target into a Camarilla Malkavian antitribu (not a Sabbat Malkavian antitribu as before).

This is a REVERSAL of the following rulings (based on the old rule):
LSJ 20030225, LSJ 19990924, LSJ 20010924.

The following cards have changed:
Becoming, The: Inherits the sire’s sect.
Brother in Arms: Inherits the sire’s sect.
Creation Rites: The vampire is now explicitly Sabbat.
Dual Form: Inherits the sire’s sect.
Nosferatu Bestial: Inherits the sire’s sect.
Third Tradition: Progeny: The vampire is now explicitly Camarilla.
Trophy: Progeny: Inherits the sire’s sect.
Okay, "Derange" verliert einen Teil seines Bedrohungspotenzials, da ein Camarilla Malkavian amtitribu weiterhin ein Prinz oder Primogen sein kann ...
Welche Gewinner bzw. Verlierer dieser neuen Regelung fallen euch noch ein? :D
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Re: Rules Team Rulings with Fifth Edition rulebook addendum and errata (RTR 30/11/2020)

Post by Hobbesgoblin »

Ich erinnere mich an irgendwelche verrückten Assamite breed vode ideen mit tegyrius die an der default sect rule gescheitert sind, die jetzt gehen würden.

creation rites/third tradtition ist mit expliziter sekte fas schon ein verlierer, weil ganz komische shenanigans mit vampiren die karten spielen dürfen als seien sie prinz/archbishop gehen nun nicht mehr, wobei jetzt vlt andere shenanigans gehen ;)
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Post by Yomyael »

Clan Impersonation könnte Schwierigkeiten haben. Häufig genug ist die Sekte irrelevant, aber manchmal kann das wichtig sein. Abgesehen davon ergibt der Hintergrund weniger Sinn, wenn sich die Sekte nicht ändern kann^^
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